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- From: Paul Kenneth Egell-johnsen <paulken4@afrodite.kih.no>
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- Subject: Re: Team AMIGA Wish List (LONG)
- Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:46:26 +0100
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- Gary Alan Peake wrote:
-
- > {much deleted]
- >
- > >And so on and so on......
- > >
- > >You seem still not to be through, that we are talking of wishes for a *NEW*
- > >operating system ? This means, that such things like ToolsDaemon etc.
- > >possibly won't work, as in the docs of it this is told. It's a HACK.
-
- New as in what? The next revision will be for the Walker (OS
- 3.2, includes some new drivers and bugfixes, source Dr. Peter
- Kittel, comp.sys.amiga.hardware) and the next release (OS 4.0,
- if it doesn't change it's name, one never knows) is for the
- PowerPc (and implied by AT and Phase 5 press releases this would
- be a rework of OS 3.1/2 for the PowerPc platform i.e.
- recompilation bugfixes).
-
- So the NEW you are talking about probably (note the word
- probably) is much longer into the future, perhaps OS 5.0.
-
- In fact there are no indications of even RTG, although one must
- assume something similar has to be done, to support non-Amiga
- hardware (as in off the shelf components), which most of us wish
- for very much.
-
- But for a NEW OS, put everything in.
-
- I don't know much about commodities, or Toolsdaemon in
- particular (though I take your word for it), but surely they
- can't all be hacks?
-
- > >And most things, which are programmed and available right now, are done,
- > >because the system software lacks of it. SO WHY NOT INCLUDE THIS INTO THE
- > >NEW SYSTEM SOFTWARE ????? Sorry for shouting, but I have read such posts
-
- As long as I configure it as I wish (which are everyones point)
- then include it all, but as I have stated above, and will state
- below, when is AT going to do this? Surely not while they are
- redesigning the OS to fit the PowerPc?
-
- > >that often now, that I am asking myself why everybody is so scared to see a
- > >new OS with new features *built-in*, so I want anyone to hear it now. Do
- > >you think that would hurt to have those things come with the OS ? Why
- > >making a commodity, that eats up memory for creating additional menus, if
- > >the OS could come with a full user-interface to all menus ?
- > >
- > >Why forcing the user to buy AFS or PFS (costs extra) when the OS could come
- > >with a decent MultiUser-VeryFast filesystem ?
- > >
- > >Wondering.....
- >
- > Andreas ... Team AMIGA had two seperate ideas when doing this list. The
- > first was it would be nice to have many of these things "built-in" to the
- > OS. Then, reality set in concerning timing, etc. Maybe there is no time to
- > build-in such things? If not (and many of these are currently available
- > anyway), why not create a 'real' Extra's diskette (or cd rom) that can sell
- > with or in addition to the new OS that will contain many of these
- > pd/shareware programs. The programmer's would earn their royalties with
- > each sale (maybe helping bring a few back?), the new users would be able to
- > see right out of the box what their computer can be spruced up to do, and
- > the older users who may or may not wish to use the included programs will
- > always have that option of 'user configurability'.
-
- Thank you Gary for your help here, and I would like to add (as
- some of the last lines in my original posting said) that AT
- don't have the time (I presume, of course I may be terribly
- wrong, and that would be good) to add lots of features.
- Statements by AT has been saying that they and Phase 5 are
- jointly doing the conversion of the OS and they try not to do
- double work.
-
- Also I said that I too would like to see most of this as an
- integrated part of the OS. I am not scared of including all this
- in the OS, I would be grateful for knowing that everything is
- part of the os, and if something goes wrong I don't have to
- disable all the commodities and do a lot of testing, but I am
- scarred of what it would cost if AT don't have the resources to
- include all of this in a reasonable time, making us wait, wait,
- wait...and then giving up on the Amiga.
-
- No, it wouldn't hurt to have everything in the OS (well except
- if it makes the OS a lot bigger, a lot slower, but we aren't
- dealing with Microsoft, so it won't) , it probably is prudent;
- we all wish more usability.
-
- And as an aside, a commodity takes memory, and if it was an
- integrated part of the OS it would still take memory (allthough
- less, as some redundancies would be gone). Now, one may say that
- if it was part of the Rom it wouldn't take memory, but it is
- also true that many people (primarily those with accelerators
- and those without roms, A3000/T/Ux) load the rom into memory
- because it is more efficient.
-
- Paul K Egell-Johnsen,
-
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